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Good night, Seattle, we love you.

D@MN JOKeR

Scambled eggs all over my face. What is a boy to do?

ho shit

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Clareece 'Precious' Jones:[voiceover] My name is Clareece "Precious" Jones. I wish I had a light-skinned boyfriend with real nice hair. And I wanna be on the cover of a magazine. But first I wanna be in one of them BET videos.

Keep dreamin', fatty

ShadyNarcotics

LOL, grammar isn't imporant when you're trying to have a conversation/civil argument) Obviously I don't know who you are, and it really doesn't matter who you are, because like you said this is a forum. A forum...

BTW if you are calling me a kid, at least talk like an adult. :|

BTW if rings are so important to you and LeBron not having a ring negates everything he did in his first 7 years than let me throw this at you...

Michael Jordan, arguably the greatest player of all time had no rings after his first 7 years, yes you probably didn't know that, but you probably didn't know that. And over that he was widely-considered the best player in the league without all those rings. Kobe as important as he was to those rings, was lucky to be on the same team as the most dominant center of all time. Shaq was the anchor to those rings, and it seems you'll never learn.

And let's talk about their circumstance like you so desperately are trying to point out. Kobe plays in an offensive system (the triangle) that won numerous championships, an up-tempo style and on top of that has a team full of good offensive players, including one of the best offensive bigs in the league. Given this CIRCUMSTANCE, shouldn't Kobe average more assists. Shouldn't Kobe average less shots, because of all the other offensive weapons on the team. Seriously Gasol and Bynum don't even get a combined 18 shots a game, that's pathetic. Especially considering Gasol is the most efficient big man scorer in the league. LeBron's CIRCUMSTANCE on the other hand includes a number of spot up shooters and their only offensive game plan is to give the ball to LeBron and move off screens. You constantly mention circumstances but don't back it up, nor do you give any insight to what you mean. But don't worry I just clarified it for you.

You're seriously not even worth responding to now, you don't read, you just talk. I've addressed everything you've said, and you never back anything up. All you really do is claim something and never give any detail about it. Half of your paragraphs are filled with claims, reason's as to why I'm stupid, death blow threats you don't want to deliver (lol) and just stating "kobe is so much better" in different ways.

.FLOJO.

DUHHHH are you retarded ??
I know Mike didnt have rings the first seven years ... it took him that longs just to get his first .. but that didnt mean he didnt get close .. just as Kobe did .. just as lebron did ... but guess what?
Kobe got his
But you ALSO forget you are talking to somebody who has told you a million times Kobe is better than Jordan .. so then who has egg on their face?

and when Kobe gets his seventh ring .. then I will have the ultimate argument against Jordan dicklickers
but until then I have to concede to arguments about it and focus on what people close to both of them have said IE Phil Jackson
you dont have SHIT ..
all you have is a big bag of potential ..
I hope for your sake Lebron gets a ring .. I feel bad for you now


idgaf if you dont respond .. youre the one that cant get over the fact that Kobe is better
ask your friends how important rings are .. and even theyll tell you to slow your roll
unless you live in cleveland .. then idk what to tell you
I know Im in LA .. but I got hardware nigggggggaaaaa hahahahaha

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oh and BTW (since you like that acronym) .. now I KNOW you dont play ball
no .. having big men dont mean you can get more assists .. WTF?!? lolol
No .. doubles do ... and defensive schemes aimed at players do ..

UNLESS you are a point guard where you create for your team such as I was or a cp3 ... thats THEIR ROLL ... So Lebron is able to do so b/c he gets tons of doubles and triples thrown at him
this has little to do with a triangle offense .. that just puts playes in respective positions .. well better positions for transition b-ball .. but that just gives everybody a better shot at making a play

something lebron doesnt have ... so he relies on simple basketball knowledge and things like that to his game .. and he isnt dumb .. he has SOME knowledge of the game

But c'mooon Kobe has the triangle .. learned a system (which they use only periodically) and can switch in and out of different schemes ..
hence another reason WHY teams force 1 on 1 coverage against him .. fueling Kobe and in result him taking more shots than a lebron (dejavu)
SO its clear Kobe has a waaay better understanding (unless you discounting his competitive drive, which is a HUGE reason to understand the game from a PLAYERS perspective) of the game as well .. FYI

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ShadyNarcotics

Uhh..

Ok, just one thing. Double, triple teams don't lead to assists. Paul and Nash lead the league in assists and Nash barely faces any double teams, while Paul gets less than Melo. Melo faces numerous double teams yet averages barely 3 assists. Some players can find the open man off the double team (LeBron), others prefer to shoot. (Kobe) If you read clearly I said Kobe has two great bigs and a whole roster full of capable offensive players, which is why he should average more assists. All those players on the Lakers (majority) are good offensive players, so Kobe should have no trouble getting them good looks.

BTW, after you saying Kobe is better than Jordan, you should of just left it at that. Damn, not even worth responding to you anymore. You consistently mention dick-riding, but saying LBJ is better than Kobe and supporting it with facts is not dick-riding. On the other hand saying Kobe is better than Jordan is not only completely retarded, but saying he's better than LBJ based off baseless opinions is. You have no basketball knowledge, if you believe for a second Kobe is better than Michael Jordan. Kobe is barely top-10 and will never even be the best Laker ever.

peter.

Your whole argument is riding on the fact that you're justifying if's and couldve/should'ves


Kobe > LBJ.. when LBJ wins his rings and does as much as kobe in terms of learning the game and playing the way its played instead of just fuckin' driving in, traveling and crying when his teams gets eliminated, then argue

You think Jordan was considered the best to ever play after his 7 years, when he had no rings?

Like I've said before, James ia great player, but Kobe's career > LBJ's


and why are you even fucking arguing about the fact that James gets more assists than Kobe.. no fuckin shit he does

If you watched any basketball you would know the favorite offensive play of Mike Brown: Give it to Lebron and let him do shit

I cant count how many times James "acts" like a point guard, backs up to half court and drives in- pulling in a double/triple team and flicks the ball off to an open guy on the perimeter.. its the same shit everytime and you bitch about how James gets more assists?? FUCK OFF

Kobe doesnt need to be a one man show like Lebron and smh about the fg percentage of Lebron being better than kobe..
1. Kobe takes much tougher shots than LBJ
2. LBJ drives in much more than Kobe, not because he is better, bec/ he's bigger
3. If LBJ took the shots Kobe took, he would be no where Kobe's fg percentage, and its not true vice versa


and your comment about steve nash getting more assists while not getting double teamed and shit.. THEY ARE FUCKING POINT GUARDS.. say it after me.. THEY ARE MOTHERFUCKING POINT GUARDS


What has Lebron done in his short career in terms of winning (its all about winning.. you think they're playing for MVP's and shit? even ask Lebron he'd tell you the season doesnt mean shit at the end of the day w;out a ring)

1. Got swept in the finals
2. His team chocked twice in the conference finals
3. 0 rings

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D@MN JOKeR

roflroflroflroflrofl

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Clareece 'Precious' Jones:[voiceover] My name is Clareece "Precious" Jones. I wish I had a light-skinned boyfriend with real nice hair. And I wanna be on the cover of a magazine. But first I wanna be in one of them BET videos.

Keep dreamin', fatty

.FLOJO.

MORE FUCKEN PROOF YOU DONT READ ASSHOLE! lol
I SAID POINT GUARDS! NOW I KNOW YOU DONT PLAY BALL FOR SUUUURE! jeez

and the Jordan Kobe thing is a Me and AL thing .. thats between me and G0D I dont expect you to understand
but has nothing to do with you

but JESUS MAN ... READ! or maybe you just dont know what a point guard is
who the fuck do you think CP3 is???!?
lolololol ... pick up a basketball

I was wondering like WTF? does this guy not understand the game ?? and its so clear to me you dont now hahahaha wtf?
then you bring up melo .. hahahahaha you totally help bring home my point

thanks weirdo

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ShadyNarcotics

Based on if's and should's? Well if you have been following the argument, the guy was talking about their situation. So it's easy to think that given the better offensive team and scheme Kobe would average more assists. And BTW he said LeBron gets more assists because he was bigger, I know Paul and Nash are point guards, I was just trying to prove a point, that LeBron averages more assists because of better court vision and passing ability.

And I never said Kobe's career wasn't better than LeBron's, but Kobe has 7 years on him. I said compare their first 7 years and LeBron is clearly better than Kobe, but career accomplishments aside, my point is right now LeBron is better than Kobe Bryant.

And LOL @ you trying to use LeBron's physical gifts against him. He is bigger than Bryant, so he's better attacking the rim. He get's to the rim easier and finishes with a higher percentage. And BTW LeBron averages 12 points off jumpshots this season, so I don't know where you got the "all his points from driving" argument. Kobe takes tougher shots because he can't get to the rim as easy as Bron. And bad shot selection is a knock on a player, it's not like he has to take those shots. It's called ball movement and feeding it to your All-Star Big Pau Gasol for easy baskets near the rim.

I'd love to see Beans Bryant lead a team as the number one option to the finals with a supporting cast of Larry Hughes (25% shooting) Zydrunas Illguaskas and Drew Gooden. LOL

And BTW Jordan was considered the best player in the league without any rings, it actually is a well known if you have been following basketball through Jordan's career. That's how the 90-91 finals were hyped, "the best player in the league" against one of the best teams of the decade.

And once again this joke humiliates himself. You thinking Kobe Bryant is better than Michael Jordan is an issue with you and god. WTF? No it's an issue with basketball fans.

.FLOJO.

of course you are going to ignore the fact that you are ignorant in player positions and what they do .. sure you thought that .. lol .. when I addressed it so eloquently .. its not my fault you got lost .. and you acting as if Kobe can just hand it to a soft gasol to finish whenever he wants .. again WTF!? hahahahaha
Jesus man ... you have no clue do you?
and nobody is attacking lebron for his "gifts" lol wtf

its a simple case of POUND FOR POUND .. so where you are trying to make a case in some areas is invalid
and again .. wtf at you thinking Kobes first seven werent way better than Lebron
again .. I think its siply b/c you dont understand basketball

but in that case you need to fall back from these types of arguments
and just go with the more knowledgeable people IE me and peter
and at least agree that you see how we know Kobe is pound for pound the better player

then go back into your hole and worship lebron

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G0D is a poster .. I told you not to worry about it
egg on yo face niggga !!

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peter.

lolololol

ahahahah


ya man, didnt you hear, God's a big Kobe fan

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.FLOJO.

roflroflrlroflroflroflrofl

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D@MN JOKeR

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Clareece 'Precious' Jones:[voiceover] My name is Clareece "Precious" Jones. I wish I had a light-skinned boyfriend with real nice hair. And I wanna be on the cover of a magazine. But first I wanna be in one of them BET videos.

Keep dreamin', fatty

ShadyNarcotics

Player positions? LeBron play's SF, him and Kobe are both perimeter players. The point is Kobe shouldn't lead the league in shots per game when he has so many other players he can give the ball to, that team is way too stacked and thats why Kobe has a 46 FG %.

LOL If you think Kobe's first 7 years are better than LeBron's. Kobe was the number two option in his first seven years. Was a 3-4 time all-star. LeBron on the other hand is a 7 time all-star, has won the MVP trophy, and lead his team to the finals. You can't have a better resume as the second option of the team. I don't get why you don't understand Kobe's Lakers were a great team with Shaq leading them, which is why he racked up three rings. Put LeBron on those Laker teams and they definitely would've won multiple rings. Hell with LeBron's court vision they would've been better.

LOL you seriously think you are knowledgeable? You thought Phil Jackson was just amusing Shaq by telling him he was the number 1 option. You said just because a player is bigger he should average more assists. The other guy said LeBron gets all his points driving to the rack and that Kobe is better at driving because LeBron is bigger so its easier for him. BTW there are so much stuff you haven't had an answer for, but why bother, eh? You make clueless and baseless statements and NEVER back them up.

Hey, Kobe won 3 rings in his first seven years playing second fiddle to Shaq, he also is a better shooter than LeBron, and they have different circumstances, but I'm not going to go into detail at all on what I just said. I'M KNOWLEDGEABLE KNOW, RIGHT?

.FLOJO.

make up your fucken mind .. first you say its a team game.. so you obsess with Shaq being on Kobe's team .. but at the same time you try to turn it into a strict JUST a lebron and Kobe thing (which I think is better for this thread anyways since Shaq or any teamate has nothing to do with this shit anyway)... ok

WTF? .. in reality the team thing really shouldnt matter in a thread like this anyway right? I mean unless we are talking about players like Magic where their court vision is what makes them great .. here we are analyzing two players that have the ability to do it all .. and since both players are able to reach the finals .. that negates the team concept .. b/c they both got there .. theyre at the top .. think about the first UFC .. royce gracie was one of the smallest participants but still ended up winning the tournament.. why? because it doesnt matter how you get to the end ... as long as you deliver regardless of your size or deficiency .. you get it done
look man.. if Kobe wasnt on that team they wouldve NOT won those rings
same as if Lebron hadnt been on the team they wouldve not reached the finals right? Youre gonna tell me when lefag reached the finals you knew he was gonna lose? GTFOH with that shit

yet .. Kobe won ..

but im trying to tell you .. ok forget about the team concept since you dont get it
and picture them as ball players alone

KOBE>Lebron .. its easy to see it if you are a baller
in your case I guess I can see why you dont

so you reach and reach .. not even knowing you are contradictory in your own logic

just stop

again .. for the billionth time .. you cant make something fit just b/c its convenient to YOU
its one or the other .. thats the way it is

wait till you take a class on fallacious arguments in college
and maybe then you will see how the way you argue is full of holes

thats IF you go to college .. idk ...
oh and play some ball .. THAT will also help you out

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